Thanks to HRS and mkey. The summary I wrote didn’t even do justice to the evasion and even some abuse I suffered in talking to this lady who kept interrupting me and even began to berate me every time I had a point, “you don’t see and work with viruses like I do so you don’t know”.
Here is our nice interviewee in the flesh, she put her broomstick down to pose for the photo:
http://www.biken.osaka-u.ac.jp/about/tanken/interview/18
PCR:
Me: What about PCR, is it really valid to go to 40-45 cycles?
Her: That’s just to confirm control at 45. Most people are positive at 30-35 cycles.
Me: Still, the cycle no for individuals isn’t known, isn’t going to 40-45 too high?
Her: It all depends on the amount of virus in the sample [she’s dodging the question].
Me: What about the many PCR makers that state in their usage sheets that the PCR isn’t specific for Covid and can be positive for flu, rsv, adeno, etc?
Her: Those makers are just flat wrong, the pcr aims at special epitopes on Corona.
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Here are 2 examples
1. Diagnostics DC. SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus Multiplex RT-qPCR Kit. In. https://www.creative-diagnostics.com/pdf/CD019RT.pdf: DC Creative Diagnostics 2020.
“Non-specific interference of Influenza A Virus (H1N1), Influenza B Virus (Yamagata), RespiratorySyncytial Virus (type B),Respiratory Adenovirus (type 3, type 7), Parainfluenza Virus (type 2), Mycoplasma Pneumoniae,Chlamydia Pneumoniae, etc”.
2. BIOTEC C. Real Time PCR Detection Kits. In. https://www.certest.es/viasure/: Certest BIOTEC 2020.“New Real Time PCR Detection Kit designed for the identification of SARS-CoV-2, Influenza A/B (Flu A/B) and/or Human Respiratory Syncytial Virus A/B (RSV A/B) in respiratory samples. One assay. Multiple pathogens detection”
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FLU:
Me: Why is there near zero flu in Japan this year?
Her: Less people are traveling this year so it didn’t come, also, wearing masks.
Me: But ’19-’20 season there were over 100k cases of flu in Japan [and people weren’t traveling so much during the Spanish 1918 flu] and doesn’t a mask protect from flu just like Corona even though everyone’s mask is clearly open at the edges?
Her: There wasn’t so much flu in Japan, what the gov’t puts out is a guesstimate, and many had immunity to flu from before, and Corona is more infective from aerosol vs flu [how is that proven?].
Me: Don’t people have some immunity to all the corona colds?
Her: No they don’t, and most people are getting flu vax each year [so why is there so much flu in Japan every year?].
Her: It’s nonsense to compare flu to corona [she’s dodging the question].
Me: Yes, there’s lot’s of nonsense going on out there.
Another Dr. I spoke to later about a different paper to was more pleasant but still evasive and denied every point. About isolation he said, “it isn’t necessary to do density-gradient isolation to prove what virus is the pathogen. The PCR we use at 20 cycles is basically 100% accurate and our PCR we use doesn’t have cross reactivity” [ok so what standard are they based on to begin with?]. “Viruses will disintegrate if we try to purify them so it’s not done.” [sure, but won’t some survive, and we can see their molecular size, and rule-out other types?]. I asked him if metagenomics was the basis of the PCR, he said yes, but then said no, but had no alternative. I also asked him if basing the metagenomic genome of one patient from Wuhan (sequenced by a company called “Illumina”) was a valid way to determine the genes to put in the PCR and vaccines and he said, “every pandemic has a first case”. [Metagenomic sequencing is only supposed to be accepted for well-characterized organisms].
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