2 Fullerton officers charged in death of Kelly Thomas

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David Edwards
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Sept 22, 2011

Orange Country District Attorney Tony Rackauckas announced Wednesday that he was charging two Fullerton, California police officers in the July 5 death of a mentally ill homeless man.

Officer Manuel Ramos faces charges of second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter for allegedly killing Kelly Thomas. Police Cpl. Jay Cicinelli was charged with involuntary manslaughter and excessive force.

“The cause of death in this case is — it’s mechanical compression of the thorax, making it impossible for Kelly Thomas to breathe normally,” Rackauckas explained during a press conference. “In other words, the chest being compressed, Kelly Thomas was not able to inhale, and he can’t take in oxygen. Over time his brain was deprived of oxygen, and he became unconscious and went into a coma and died. That is the primary cause of death. The other injuries to the face and head contributed to the death.”

Watch this video from CNN’s Newsroom, broadcast Sept. 21, 2011.


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59 Responses to “2 Fullerton officers charged in death of Kelly Thomas”

  1. why only 2 charged? they were 6 total why are the 4 others not involved? they watched and did nothing to stop the crime???

    THE CHINAMAN Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Ditto!!! Charge them all with first degree murder. Time to clean out the rest of the pigs too….

    Fight back!! Declare war on these sons a bitches. Let em have it!! Both barrels. “They stink”

    Sam_Wheat Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 9:24 am

    If you want my RESPECT, you’ll learn to use two simple words: “Follow Me.”

    Lead into battle, oh warrior!

    Otherwise, sit down, and have a tall, cold glass of STFU.

    fedupwithit Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 11:30 am

    SAM WHEAT,

    if i wanted you to repect me i’d bitch slap you.

    and until i hear about you taking the white house, have yourself a tall glass of stfu!

    HIGH BRASS Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    @ Sam What?

    What the fucck you picking on the chinaman for? I thought you was O.K. until now.

    Deborah Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 10:06 am

    I thought if you did nothing to stop it, you contributed to the crime?

    CrisisJones Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Agreed. Without question, ‘All of the officers involved are complicit in the murder of Kelly Thomas.’

    Coming up this evening: (Via Skype) ‘Crisis Jones Vs. Philippe Leroux’ (A civil debate on the execution of Troy Davis.)

    HIGH BRASS Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    Hello CrisisJones;

    Would Philippe Leroux be the same Philippe that works-worked for the V.A and hates all Veterans? Hates the Military and commonly refers to America as amerika? Is it posible that he could be the same one that said he had such low faith in the United States and
    the patriots that will fight for it, that he was going to pack his family up and haul ass like a coward? Just askin,,,,

    CrisisJones Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    @High Brass,

    I believe that he has made such statements.

    Tonight should be interesting. This will be our first debate in nearly four years.

    Of course, Philippe is a contributing writer at The CJR, though, tonight the gloves are off.

    HIGH BRASS Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    @CrisisJones;

    Thanks for the reply. I am very happy to hear that this is a different Philippe. I have an old friend that is recovering from a heart attack. You would know him as THE LAST STAND.

    The Last and the other Philippe were mortal enemies over anti-American statements made by Philippe about the 14 million Veterans and the country as a whole. God bless all….

    HIGH BRASS Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    @ CrisisJones;

    I miss read your comment. please forgive. I would love to listen in on your debate. What is, (Via Skype) and how do I tune in? Radio, T.V., internet, ect. Please help.

    CrisisJones Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    @ High Brass,

    All My Best To The Last Stand in his recovery. And Please give My Best to The Mrs…

    We will be taping the debate, and posting it at The CJR at 7:30 P.M. PST this evening.

    BTW: If you can forward my email to ‘Last’; crisisjones(at)hotmail(dot)com, would love to hear from him.

    Thank You.

    And Thank You, to PJW.

    CrisisJones Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    CJR …crisisjones.com

    American Dystopia Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Their job is to protect and serve. It’s as sad as it is funny we’re too dumb to ask who they protect and who they serve, we foolishly think they were talking about us.

  2. AND EVERY OFFICER WHO STOOD AROUND AND DID NOTHING IS AN ACCESSORY TO MURDER, JUST AS WE’D BE CHARGED IF IT WAS JUST CITIZENS BEATING A MAN TO DEATH AND WE WERE PART OF THE CROWD !

    SOON, THE POLICE WILL GET SHOT WHEN THEY DO THIS, IT’S BECOMING ALL TOO COMMON AND IT HAS TO STOP OR THE CITIZENS ARE JUSTIFIED IN OFFING AN OUT OF CONTROL COP, BEFORE HE MURDERS A MAN AND IS CHARGED.

    IT’S BETTER THE ASSALIANT DIE RATHER THEN THE VICTEM

    COP OR NO COP !

    THATS COMMON LAW.

    ANY OUT OF CONTROL COP HAS NO PROTECTION WHERE AS WE THE PEOPLE DO !

    THERE’S A FEDERAL STATUE.

    SELF DEFENSE INCLUDES SHOOTING A COP TRYING TO MURDER SOMONE !

    Super Duper Man 1776 Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 8:32 am

    THE 1ST SUCESSFUL TEST CASE WILL TURN THINGS ALL AROUND.

    THESE MURDERS WILL BE A THING OF THE PAST, STOPPED DEAD IN IT’S INFANCY WHEN IT OCCURES.

    Sam_Wheat Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 9:25 am

    I take it your Prozac isn’t working.

    Time to take a higher dosage.

    wildcat Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Rodney King?

    kelemoku Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 9:42 am

    that was the first thing i thought of…

    Deborah Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Rodney King was not choked into a brained damaged coma, like this guy was?

    Rodney King came back to make a lot of money off his case. Only to do more stupid things.

    LibertyHound Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Super Duper, these crimes will never be a thing of the past.

    They may be reduced if we keep firearms handy and gun down these pigs when they do these things but as long as the government wants henchmen to do their bidding there will be goons who are eager to provide their fascist best!

    BTW, as long as cops enjoy higher protection of the law, and their pig dogs as well I.E. killing a pig dog is treated as “killing an officer” (human), they should be given the same punishment as those who would commit a crime against them. Three times the statutory punishment should be the minimum for committing a crime “under color of authority”!

    These officers, and their eager accomplices should be up for the death penalty and life in prison without parole, respectively.

    Super Duper Man 1776 Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT COPS STOPPING WHAT THEY DO

    I’M TALKING ABOUT CITIZENS STOPPING THE COPS FROM WHAT THEY ARE DOING ?

    MAN ARE YOU GUYS SIMPLE MINDED OR WHAT.

  3. loss control…
    (i can’t believe that there wasn’t only one)

  4. These cops are going to get off just like (all the other cops that have killed innocents) like the organized crime figures did back in the depression. They will coerce and threaten witnesses and jurors. If need be they will “disappear” witnesses with damaging testimony. Juror’s families will be threatened by using their (police) access to records. All this is in the truest tradition of the organized crime families. The courts are no better and even worse as they condone this police murders and brutality.

    If these pigs walk on this then it is up to the “People” to bring them to justice as the courts will not.

  5. 2 Fullerton officers charged in death of Kelly Thomas
    ———————————————————–

    Its about time!

    Bravo2……..out

    Sam_Wheat Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 9:22 am

    No, it ISN’T about time!

    Where’s the other FOUR!?

    Can’t you count?

    reconscoutsniper Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Who said anything about numbers? I said it was about time they were charged. That doesn’t mean the others wont be charge in time also….Now does it?!

    Next time you want to make points, try some one of a lesser intelligence on YOUR level.

    Can I count? Can You? Who the fuck you think you are you talking to asshole?

    Im answer to no one…that includes you. Got that?!

    You want the other four? Go get them.

    Are they guilty? Damn Right. Not that I need to explain myself to you or any one else.

    Looking for a fight with me? OK Bring it bitch. Between then and now, go eat a bowl full of your own shit.

    Dont fuck with me. I’ll swat you like a fly.

    Bravo2……….out

    reconscoutsniper Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Type os…in a hurry.

    Bravo2………out

    THE CHINAMAN Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Sam_Wheat::

    The warrior speaks. Respect is earned. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

    Super Duper Man 1776 Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    SAM, HOW’D YOU SAY THAT WITH THAT BIG OLE PETER IN YOUR MOUTH ?

    Vengeance Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Well they had to offer up someone as an ‘appeasement sacrifice’ due to the public outcry. These two Coppers here must have drawn the short straws…

    leskat Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 10:01 am

    And the ones that stood around , should have badges taken and fired if they are not charging them . They did nothing to stop it .

  6. The MSM is starting to float stories on how it will be tough for a jury to find them guilty. The cops had it out for this guy and fortunately it was all caught on tape. Release the bus terminal tape so that everyone can see what really happened.

    wildcat Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 9:32 am

    They they would argue that since the evidence is in the public domain, it can no longer be used.

    Some UK cops used that as a excuse – homeowner set up home CCTV system for security. Caught criminals committing crime, viewed tape to confirm evidence was on tape. Called police who then told him that since he had viewed the tape, it could no longer be used as evidence.

  7. Uh, there were SIX piggies involved.

    Two from six equals FOUR.

    Where are the other four piggies?

    LibertyHound Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Until we form hit squads and take care of these pigs this won’t ever change.

    I’m not waiting till it happens to me or mine.

    I stay armed and ready to be reactionary and do what has to be done.

    It is time to become proactive though.

    FTP!

    spray06 Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Listen up folks… I think you guys are not thinking this through… If you guys go shooting back at the cops and kill a few, that is only half the fight. The Gov will chase you for the rest of your natural lives and they will find you. The other half of the fight is to get on the Jury…If they don’t kill you first, there will be a trial… and the Jury must find you NOT GUILTY… Research Jury Nullification… Read it…. Learn it…. Live it… Start getting on Jury Duty now…. Start practicing Jury Nullification and then, start putting these Cops in their place…

  8. ‘Involuntary’?

    Anyone who supports power hungry, hateful police will, sooner or later, feel the sting of their taser and the thud of their baton.
    Too many polcie departments are taking in returning military without thoroughly screening them. Our police departments are full of broken, angry thugs.

  9. This is a small victory Kelly Thomas should still be alive today and I just hope justice will be served and the police departments all over will learn from this that it is not ok to beat people innocent or guilty we have a court system for a reason because we’re not animals and we can be civilized not barbaric and blood thirsty. Too many innocent people die everyday and the only way it’ll ever stop is if we say “STOP!” this might not be the result everyone wanted but its a step in the right direction. R.I.P. Kelly Thomas.

  10. Police are the problem, they always have been.

    The founders were cop killers.

    Freedom fighters have to be cop killers if their chains are ever to come off.

    Pigs are always the public manifestation of tyrants.

    As long as pigs live an “us vs. them” ideology and “enforce” the will of the overlords on the people and never their fellow pigs, judges, politicians, banksters, etc, they need to be eliminated!

    FTP!

    Don’t taze me bro! Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 10:39 am

    A large amount of truth in that. Frankly, I can do without any police. They myth that society will collapse without them is mostly bogus. At least cut the force in half. When police start enforcing good laws, with truth and honor, and behave like honorable men, i’m sure they will find a much more supportive community.

    And isn’t their first oath as an American citizen? To the Constitution? It should be- but lately their actions speak much louder than words.

  11. I hope these basturds end up in prison!

    Don’t taze me bro! Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Yes. And cellmates with a large, lonely, extremely muscular “minority”.

    AandO Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    Chevy chase comes to mind.

    Bend Over!

    Pleased to meet you Ben.

    Ol Man River…..

  12. put these pieces of shit in prison and let the inmates have them, punk them out and them kill them.

    put the judge in prison and let the inmates have him, punk him out and then kill him.

    hunt down the other cops and shoot them on site!

    this abuse of against the people MUST stop!!!

    thank god for the 1st amendment!!! (or what’s left of it that is)

  13. Cop or no cop, this is murder. What did this poor down and out bastard do to possibly deserve this?
    And where is the statement from nationwide police, that actions like this are a disgrace, abusive of power, and a poor reflection on police officers nationwide?

    Why are police being forced into silence like Stormtroopers of the Empire or something?

    At least, this incident serves as a perfect example of WHY the public has a responsibility and right to film police officers in the line of duty. Anything less is tyrannical and secret government. And how is it a “government by the people”, if we are not allowed to monitor our own officials?

    And how is it a “government by the people” if our institutions are bribed into the service of foreign banks?

  14. All 6 Police officers should be punished for this crime. Good luck in prison pigs!

  15. 2004 Ventura county California a cop shot
    A 19 year old 8 times in the back as he was
    walking away from the cop…..and the
    DA did nothing

    AandO Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    mp3

    Did not this 19 year old have a Dad? Brother? Cousin? Friend? Anybody?

    ———————————————————————————————————

    It does not happen in every mans life that a situation like this arrives where a Man has to do what a Man has to do. I’m amazed that we never hear of Men doing what we all know needs being done. If I had this situation arise in my life I would do what needs being done right then and there.

    Situations can and do arrive in mens lives that change the whole game of life. Some things can arise that require you to grab your Rifle or cower.

    THIS IMHO WAS A RIFLE MOMENT

    As such, all bets for the well laid plans of life are set aside and you go do what is required of you no matter the cost to yourself.

  16. There is such a thing as accessory to a crime or murder and those involved should be charged. I do not think and murderer should spend time in prison, they should be hanged outside in public just like the old days. Shown as an example to the rest. I do not agree with the system in sending a killer to life in prison. The cost to house a prisoner is about $65,000 a year and that was 20 years ago when I was in Corrections Theory. When I see this country as a police state and this country has the largest prison population on planet Earth it makes me sick to think how much the tax payer is paying to house killers and violent criminals. They should be dealt with in the cheapest manner, the rope or a single bullet to the brain…

  17. These aye-aye-chez might be, at best, one mental notch above this victim of their own instability.

  18. Listen up folks… I think you guys are not thinking this through… If you guys go shooting back at the cops and kill a few, that is only half the fight. The Gov will chase you for the rest of your natural lives and they will find you. The other half of the fight is to get on the Jury…If they don’t kill you first, there will be a trial… and the Jury must find you NOT GUILTY… Research Jury Nullification… Read it…. Learn it…. Live it… Start getting on Jury Duty now…. Start practicing Jury Nullification and then, start putting these Cops in their place…

    AandO Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    yeah yeah yeah. blah blah blah

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – THIS WAS A RIFLE MOMENT- – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    Several people chose the easy path of COWARDICE not realizing the high price attached to it.

    In a matter such as this I would rather be dead than know that I did not take proper action at the proper time.

    Mr. Thrillkill Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Time to plant those apricot an cherry trees.
    The biochemical features of the seed extract can be very useful.

    Great shade trees too … good way to cut down on the cooling bill.

    Mr. Thrillkill Reply:
    September 22nd, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    You’ll know them by their fruits.

  19. YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME MULLING THIS OVER. THEY ARE BETA TESTING THE PATRIOT ACT. THIS WAS AN ENGINEERED ASSASSINATION TO SEE WHAT THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH. MAKING THOMAS’ DEATH INVOLUNTAR MANSLAUGHTER WILL SET PRECEDENCE FOR THIS TYPE OF KILLINGACROSS THE US. YOU FOOLS ARE BEING ACCULTURATED TO SUMMARY EXECUTION, AND ALEX JONES IS GREASING THE CHUTE.

    JONES IS ALSO PROMOTING ANDREW WAKEFIELD’S IMMUNIZATON PROJECT, WHICH IT WAS THIS MONSTER THAT DEVELOPED THE USE OF SORBITOL IN THE MMR VACCINATION IN THE FIRST PLACE. SORBITOL OXIDIZES THE LIVER WHEN INTRODUCED TO THE INFANT BLOODSTREAM WHAT FALLOUT IS DEPLETION OF CHOLINE AND INTERFERENCE IN MITOCHRONDIAL PRODUCTION OF ATP, METABOLISM OF ELECTROLYTES AND A SUBSEQUENT ESCALATION OF A LIFE THREATENING ESCALATION OF THE DEGENERATIVE CASCADE.
    THIS PROJECT WAS DESIGNED TO DEVELOP A CHEMICAL THAT WHEN INTRODUCED TO THE BLOODSTREAM DURING INFANCY VIA IMMUN ZATIONS COULD BE ACTIVATED IN ADULTHOOD BY INTRODUCING THE SAME CHEMICAL TO THE DIET THUS PRODUCING MASS DIE OFFS.

    WAKEFIELD IS A BRITISH SLEEPER, AND IT APPEARS THAT DR. MERCOLA AND ALEX JONES MAY BE HELPING TO MARKET HIM IN THE US. IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU ARE PROPERTY AND PRODUCTS, NOTHING MORE, AND THE PARTIOT ACT IS SEALING THE DEAL.

    THIS IS ALL PRECIPITATED ON PARADOX, WHICH IS IT A FORGONE CONCLUSION THAT YOU ARE EASY PICKINGS FOR THESE PREDATORS BE.

  20. Wakefield might be a British sleeper,
    but there’s a Renfield amongst us.

  21. 2 out of 6 ? The rest must be charged with lesser crimes as accomplices with gang enhancement.

  22. I had it happen to me, but I remained calm and quiet. No witnesses and no camera either. Lawyer said, I couldn’t fight the system because the Judge would side with the men in blue. Yes, I am very sorry for Kelly, but his death will certainly make a dent in the corrupt system we have; I’m sure it will take a few more Kelly’s first though.

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